澳洲留学,想毕业后进投行需要做哪些准备,专业如何选择?

题主刚来澳洲西海岸某go8校读science方向大一,第二年分专业。目前预想是毕业后进投行工作,之前听父母说见过很多在澳洲学金融留不下来都回国了不过反过来想这应该是selection bias毕竟在所在五线城市能见到大多是留不下来的…于是决定试一试金融相关专业。

请问各位没有PR的情况下本科阶段应该如何去准备(语言,实习,social,CFA考证什么的...),以及如果是以投行为目标本科阶段应该主修数学辅修金融还是主修金融辅修数学还是其他…?另外如果上面的问题回答是选数学,本校有个专业叫quantitative methods是否更值得选为主修?

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Mark双

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谢邀。
对UWA不了解,不知道是不是投行的target school。
不过可以肯定的是你题目话题设置中的那个UniMelb和UNSW肯定是bulge bracket的target school,包括澳洲的悉尼office、墨尔本office,以及亚太区的香港office、新加坡office。注意,大陆的office不认。
专业选择两种都行,看个人取舍和职业方向。不过成绩一定要好。
顺便说一句,实习非常重要,证书没有你想象中那么有用。

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不难进,澳洲的投行不像美国那么挑大学,我本科还是阿德莱德读的呢而且成绩才80不到点,(虽然我也没进去IBD,一直各种MO混)

读本科这几年主要是千万别去水专业,别选水课,然后GPA弄好点(至少保证3.5/4以上吧,也就是一半D一半HD),毕业之前争取CFA搞掉一或两级,然后每年至少其中一个假期去找一份投行的实习,首选肯定是BB IBD或ER的实习,大行里我知道Macquarie招实习生比较多,其次可以考虑咨询公司(mckinsey, Bain,accenture这种的,其实本身不比投行差,可是你硬要进投行那就靠后点了)或者大型本地、小型国际券商IBD或ER(Bell Potter, Ord Minnett,CLSA,Moelis这种档次的,看他们收不收),再次就是咨询四大会计的corporate finance部门,四大银行的机构银行部(institutinal banking)。注意找intern别找到中后台去了,现在有好多这种的,去了没用不说,还容易把你的background 给pigeon hole 掉了,所以要是找不到这些宁可HK或回国找。

然后有多余时间搞一两个社团活动或volunteering吧,搞太多其实招人的也不喜欢的,会觉得你这个人太try hard。

要是你想进S&T和ER的话那路子就多了,我见过从Commsec做客服,各种跳5年后进top BB S&T的,还有4大会计干两年进top BB ER的,澳洲这边其实真的不是很讲pedigree,只要你有个有意思的story,证明你这人靠谱,上进,对金融有兴趣,聪明,能社交,肯吃苦,就肯定是有希望的(不过IBD除外了)

要是你只是想进BB投行,干啥都无所谓的话,那上面这些都忽略吧。你大学能毕业,懂点excel功夫,英文过得去的,你去找个BB的clearing,settlement, AML这种不至于找不到吧,要找不到只能说你太水了。条件稍好一点的可以去risk,treasury或compliance这种MO的,虽然钱少地位低,但胜在权力大,没人敢跟你过不去

PR的话,我自己是没读移民专业的,我是找家里借钱开了个小店,家里大人主申请人我来打理,边读大学边弄下来的,移民专业这种东西我一开始就不喜欢,三天两头变政策,觉得不安心,这个帮不了你。

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At the analyst level, banks recruit top undergraduate students in very small numbers.(Put simply, Australian teams do not recruit MBAs at the associate level.) The industry in Australia is small (compared to financial centres like New York, London or Hong Kong). Even bulge bracket banks only aim to recruit 5-10 graduate analysts each year in Melbourne and Sydney. The bulge bracket that I work for recruited 9 investment banking graduates last year – 3 in Melbourne and 6 in Sydney.

Almost every graduate analyst will have a double degree from a ‘Group of Eight’ university (Sydney, UNSW, Melbourne, Monash, UWA, ANU, UQ, UoA). Yes there are senior people at the bank that got their degrees from other universities. No, they would not get a graduate job in today’s market. The most common degree is definitely Law / Commerce. After Law / Commerce, you see degrees like Commerce / Science (mathematics), Commerce / Engineering, Commerce / Economics, etc. If you don’t have a double-degree, then you have almost certainly obtained an honours degree in Commerce (an extra 12 months of study) in Australia.

The industry here is fiercely competitive. There are tens of thousands of students graduating each year with degrees in Commerce/Finance/Banking that consider investment banking to be their dream job. Of those thousands, the banks might hire 200 in total across the country.


Nepotism (jobs for friends and family) remains prevalent in the Australian market. If a bank is going to hire 10 people in a year, you an bet that half of them have a connection in the industry. One of their parents might work in finance, or be a director of a client or a prospective client. Nepotism starts early. Investment banks will offer ‘work experience’ to those with connections. They will get a second look-in during internship recruitment. But, even with the right connections, you still need talent. It is very unlikely that your parents’ jobs will overcome your mediocre academic transcript.

Other notable Australian boutiques, or at least other firms I have heard of, are BBY, Ord Minnett, Bell Potter, Patersons, Pottinger, and Flagstaff Partners. Some of these are brokers and have no advisory presence. The real notable independents are Lazard, Gresham and Luminis Partners as of 2015/16. Going through grad applications, a number of firms did have ‘super-days’. Two of the bulge brackets had 2 days in a row of back-to-back interviews, including a dinner interview, and a day of full assessments.

As said in some of the comments, it is EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE. In the year I applied, most of the positions had gone to internships, and most of the BB IBs were hiring max 2 graduates in each geography. Nepotism is prevalent, and I saw one candidate get a role over 2 candidates who seemed far more suited, as they had some background with the MD.

Good luck to anyone trying to break the market…

(Background: Two years at a bulge bracket in Sydney.)


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UPDATE:

A lot of the discussion that I've read here has boiled down to marks vs. experience. In my view, this is overly simplistic... One thing that springs to my mind is that many candidates (including myself) may have a (perceived) lack of substance and genuine motivation.

If 90% of graduates you are competing against have 75+ averages at a Go8 university, Big 4 accounting, Big 4 retail banking, overseas exchange, overseas volunteering, part-time work experience, university society leadership roles, what uniquely makes you a worthy candidate for investment banking at X firm?

Analysts through to Managing Directors have been in your shoes before. They know what it is like to be a high-achieving graduate that can potentially end up in any field or firm. They need to 100% believe that you have chosen their field, and their firm in particular. What I would encourage graduates to do would be to think long and hard about why their experiences, abilities and motivations are unique. What is your X-factor?

As someone whose average marks have always floated around 79-83, a non-Comm/Law background, non-IB work experience, I know too well the difficulties of not being a standout in either marks nor experience. Over several years, I have attended countless networking and cocktail events, coffee catch-ups, etc. Breaking into this industry is a rollercoaster, but if you want it bad enough and are willing to do whatever it takes, whether it takes you a month, a year, two years or three, you will get there, and it will be worth it! Don't be disheartened. Take every opportunity and failure as a learning experience that helps you drill down to answer the key question, "What is my X-factor?"

The truth is that when you're applying for a graduate position (in IB anyway) and you don't have prior IB experience or at least corporate finance experience, you're already at a disadvantage unless you have something you're exceptional at.

Unfortunately (strictly for a grad IB role), it doesn't matter if you have a Distinction average for LawComm, with some average extra-curriculars (be honest with yourself here, you being on the committee for chess club or some other irrelevant club ain't that special) and some big 4 work experience in audit/tax/consulting, you'll be considered lucky to even get first round interviews for graduate roles.

The main reason for this is because you're competing for VERY few roles against people who actually have IB experience at a BB (but didn't get converted) or people who have that HD average and actually made a contribution or impact in their extracurriculars (like flying out to some third world place stricken with Ebola and saving people). These people have the X-factor to help them get that first round interview, and then after that, it's how you performed during the multiple rounds of interviews. Hell, I've even heard of somebody getting a first round interview because they were a participant who made it on TV on Masterchef or My Kitchen Rules.

In terms of number of graduate spots for IB next year, it's probably around 40, including all the top boutiques like Lazard and Greenhills etc. NATIONWIDE. With such a small number, they can be extra particular about the standard of candidates they want for first round interviews. And there's probably a few hundred people applying.

Your best bet is to apply for the internships next year. Banks hire way more people (like... 80?) so it'll be easier to get that first round.

Another thing to mention is that everybody fusses about getting that first round interview, but getting that offer is even harder. If you think you'll have enough time to prepare for the interviews after you get the call, you're sorely mistaken. Unless you have somebody who's willing to walk you through the actual interview process, you'll probably be underprepared.

Crazy competition for very few spots, so unless you're exceptional in one or several areas, you'll be lucky to even get one invite for a first round interview. Go apply for internships instead as that's your best chance of getting a full time position in IB. And yes you can apply as a final year student, I've seen people do it before.

Good luck, and keep going at it if you're sure this is for you (which you would want to think about carefully).

Also, I got a PM asking about using a recruitment agency – in Australia it only applies if you've already worked in the industry for a few years. So wouldn't work if you're a fresh grad out of uni.

And have any of you guys who got rejected tried networking? I'm talking about approaching people at campus recruiting events, grabbing their card. Heck, even email or cold call to get a coffee with them. You'd be surprised at how willing some people are to help someone who shows some determination. What have you got to lose? Just don't come off as desperate.

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